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PostSubject: About Visored   Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:34 pm

Right, so I know Mug isn't thrilled about the idea of a Visored Ress but I think there's been a misconception somewhere that Visored Ress somehow breaks the hybrid rule. I think this came about because somehow Tousen was thought to have been made part Arrancar by the Hogyoku, but there's not any dialogue evidence mentioning him having anything to do with an Arrancar. Sure, his release is called a Ressureccion, but Arrancar weapons are called Zanpakutou.

The way I see it, and has been so far implied, is that Aizen's completed Hogyoku was able to make Tousen into a more complete Visored than what otherwise occured naturally or imperfectly with Ichigo and the Exiles respectively. He did something similar to make his final roster of Arrancar as complete as possible; though they occurred naturally, Hogyoku made them stronger than they would have otherwise been. This would explain why Ichigo and the rest don't demonstrate the same degree of mastery Tousen does; because of the Hogyoku.

However, Hogyoku does not exist here, therefor, Visored Ress is somehow blacklisted. If that's the case, most Visored probably shouldn't exist nor should a lot of Arrancar. That would be an unreasonable direction to take, but that being the case, Visored Ress seems like it would be possible for a sufficiently strong Visored. It would just be another technique, not an overpowered form or anything. It's certainly not any more of a hybrid than Visored and Arrancar already are. It feels more like the antithesis to Segunda Etapa, yet that is not considered a hybrid ability.

I don't know why there's so much resistance to this idea, but I don't see what the harm is in letting people who want it have it if they meet the requirements.


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PostSubject: Re: About Visored   Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:09 pm

Tousen fly was the fever dream of tite kubo who suddenly realized how shitty tousens bankai was. He neded an upgrade so he converted him to an arrancar based creature. Cause no....no koma's banki is just that much better. It would have crushed him.

Vaizard have final bankai. Thats our big tier. It's people lik you that make it annoying cause you wanna just keep collecting all the rareand mysterious powers and use them bfore they are ever more fully explained.

No vaizard ress. U wanna ress? Make a hollow.

(Fen's two cents sorry rahu. It's just bount doll merging to me....one person did it...ONE. now everyone wantsto. So annoying.)
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PostSubject: Re: About Visored   Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:26 pm

Well, like you say there's only one example. Same with Segunda and Final. I just don't see a valid argument against it.

edit: Mug brought up the stat change being plenty OP as it is without another release; I'll accept that as a good enough reason.


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Yukiko Shimizu, Slayer of Stupid, Incompetent and Disappointing Minions, Rogue Visored
Izanami, Holy Virtue of Chastity, Quincy Obelisk
Katrina & Eva, Izanami's Attendants, Quincies
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PostSubject: Re: About Visored   Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:30 am

Great discourse, though. Well formed. We need to argue bleach some ;P
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